VIDEO: Two women share their harrowing tales of how they tried to prove their Dominican citizenship.

By Whitney Phillips
Cronkite Borderlands Initiative

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic – While politicians in at least 14 states are arguing the merits of birthright citizenship in the U.S., this country is already ruling out citizenship for thousands of people.

Miledis Juan, a 25-year-old Dominican woman with a teaching degree, cannot find work as a teacher because she was denied access to her birth certificate. (Photo by Brandon Quester.)

Over the past seven years, the Dominican government has re-written its Constitution, re-interpreted old laws and passed new ones, effectively eliminating birthright citizenship. Today, a child born in the Dominican Republic is no longer automatically a citizen; citizenship goes only to those who can prove they have at least one documented parent.

Further, vigorous enforcement of the new rules means that hundreds of thousands of people, mostly of Haitian descent, are finding it increasingly difficult to get access to their birth certificates, which are required to get married, obtain a high school diploma, start a business, get a driver’s license or passport or even sign up for a phone plan. It is also needed to get a cédula, the national identity card that is essential for voting and conducting a licensed business activity such as banking.

Without proper documentation, these residents have no legal status in the Dominican Republic, and many who have been in this country for years are unable to prove they are legal citizens of Haiti, either.

They are, in effect, stateless – citizens of no country.

Cristobal Rodríguez, a Dominican human rights attorney and law professor, puts it another way: “Here a civil genocide is being committed,” he said.

No Future

Miledis Juan looks down at her 1-year-old son Henry, his nose running and eyes swollen from a cold. His arms stretch upward, and Juan picks him up.

She and her son were both born in this country, and that, Juan says, gives them every right to be Dominican citizens. But the Dominican government has another view of the matter, and that leaves Juan worried about her son’s future and her own.

“He practically doesn’t exist,” she said. “Without documents you are nobody.”

Dominican officials say the country’s laws were never meant to grant birthright citizenship to the children or descendants of illegal immigrants. And they argue against the term “stateless” as applied to those of Haitian descent born in the Dominican Republic.

José Ángel Aquino, a magistrate for the country’s civil registry, the Junta Central Electoral, said Haitian descendants can go back to Haiti and obtain citizenship as long as they can prove their parents are Haitian.

“Because of this, in the case of the Haitians, for us, you can’t speak of the ‘stateless,’” Aquino said in Spanish. “These Haitian citizens always have the possibility of declaring themselves in their consulate…or simply in Haiti.”

But for many Haitian immigrants, like Juan, the situation is more complex.

Born in December 1985 when laws and attitudes were different, Juan was granted a Dominican birth certificate and a national identification card. She has no papers proving she is from Haiti, and to become a naturalized Haitian citizen, she would have to go through a five-year application process, said Liliana Gamboa, a project director for the Open Society Justice Initiative in Santo Domingo.

Besides, Juan doesn’t want Haitian citizenship; she has never lived in the country. “I know that Haiti exists because there is a map that I can see where it is, but I actually have no connections with it,” she said.

Her life is in Batey Esperanza, a poor, mostly Haitian-Dominican community just outside the nation’s capital, Santo Domingo, where she works long days at an embroidery machine in a free-trade zone.

Although she went to college to become a teacher, she is unable to get a teaching job because she can’t get a new copy of her birth certificate. The country’s civil registries retain every citizen’s original birth certificate and issue duplicates upon request. Official duplicates are necessary for every legal act, from applying to a university and purchasing property to obtaining a marriage license and securing most jobs. Each duplicate can be used for only one purpose and expires in a few months.

Juan said that when she went to the civil registry, she was told her she should never have been registered as a Dominican citizen because her parents came without documents from Haiti.

“Practically, my hands are tied,” she said. “There’s nothing I can do because without that birth certificate, I’m paralyzed.”

She also needs her birth certificate to get Henry one of his own. Without it, he cannot access public health services or attend school past the eighth grade.

“My biggest fear is that he’s in the country without documents,” Juan said. “He is nobody in the country.”

Changing the Ground Rules

Before birthright citizenship was abolished, the Dominican Constitution stated that anyone born in the country was a citizen, with the exception of children born to people “in transit,” a term generally interpreted to mean those in the country fewer than 10 days. The first of the changes passed in 2004 redefined “in transit” to mean those in the country illegally. A year later, the Dominican Supreme Court upheld the 2004 law as constitutional.

Six years later, the Dominican government revised its Constitution to further limit citizenship. Since Jan. 26, 2010, citizens must prove they have at least one parent of Dominican nationality to be recognized.

Miledis Juan lives with her husband, Henry Claude Joseph, and 1-year-old son, Henry Alberto, who was also denied a birth certificate. (Photo by Brandon Quester.)

At the same time, the Junta Central Electoral, which oversees the civil registries, issued an order known as Circular 17, which directs government employees not to give duplicates of birth certificates and other identity documents if they have any reason to believe the person should not have Dominican citizenship.

According to Gamboa, this means the JCE “decides …if you are worthy of your documentation” and has led to the targeting of people with French-sounding last names and dark skin.

That’s what Modesta Michel believes happened to her. Michel applied for her national ID card when she turned 18 in 2007. Cédulas are issued at age 18 and must be renewed every six years or when the government issues a new version.

At first, all went well. She had an approved copy of her birth certificate, and the civil registry office approved her cédula, giving her a receipt that verified the information that would appear on her identification card.

But then she was told that she would not get the official, laminated card after all because her parents immigrated from Haiti, she said.

And shortly after, when she needed a copy of her birth certificate to take the national test for a high school diploma, that, too, was denied, she said.

“Every year goes by, and I sometimes feel like hope is going away, but I have to trust God that eventually this will get solved because studying is the only way that I can actually move forward in life,” Michel said through a translator. “It’s the only option that I have.”

Mounting Challenges

Government officials say Circular 17 simply upholds the original intent of the Constitution. People who are in the country illegally were never meant to have Dominican citizenship and some have gotten it only because of errors and corruption on the part of civil registry employees, JCE magistrate Aquino said.

But many advocates for the stateless, including Gamboa, contend that retroactive application of the new law is forbidden by international treaties to which the Dominican Republic is party, including the American Convention on Human Rights under the Organization of American States.

The Open Society Justice Initiative and other human rights organizations have begun fighting the changes in court. They won a key victory in the Inter-American Court of Human Rights in 2005 with Yean and Bosico v. Dominican Republic, which led to the granting of Dominican citizenship to two young girls of Haitian descent.

More recently, they’ve taken up the case of Emildo Bueno. Born in the Dominican in 1975, he had several citizenship documents, including a birth certificate and passport. Even so, in 2007 when Bueno went to obtain a copy of his birth certificate for a visa to join his wife in the U.S., he was turned down because his parents were Haitian nationals.

With Rodríguez, the Dominican human rights attorney, representing him, Bueno took his case to a Dominican national court in 2008, claiming a violation of his basic human right to nationality. The case was unsuccessful.

“In spite of all evidence and proof and the fact that legally I was good, the judge took a decision against me,” Bueno said in Spanish.

He submitted an appeal to the Dominican Supreme Court in 2009, but the court has yet to rule. Meanwhile, Francisco Quintana, a deputy program director and litigator for the Center for Justice and International Law, has submitted the case to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights.

Gamboa said a favorable ruling from the international could draw attention to the problem and pressure the Dominican government into changing its policies.

“At the end of the day, it will be political pressure that will bring the result we expect, which is the recognition of nationality of people of Haitian descent,” she said.

Henry Claude Joseph holds his son at home in Batey Esperanza. (Photo by Brandon Quester.)

But in the meantime, they have another worry. The Dominican Republic is working on a new national identity card system aimed at eliminating fraudulent citizenship by requiring residents to submit fingerprints and biometric photos that are entered into a national data bank. Aquino said the JCE has received fingerprints and photos from 4 million people so far.

The JCE is “15 years behind” in fully implementing the system, Aquino, said, but is working hard to make up the time. He said the JCE also has presented a proposal to the Dominican government asking for approval to do a full “biometric census” of all foreigners in the country.

Gamboa and other human rights activists fear that these new programs will lead to every person of Haitian descent being classified as illegal.

“The problem is going to be huge,” Gamboa said. “I hope, and maybe I have faith, that it will not happen, that the DR realizes before that that it cannot commit such a crime.”

“I think people without an identity, without a nationality, are really the ones who are most unprotected in the world,” she added. “When no country wants to recognize you as a citizen, then there’s nobody to protect you.”

Though the political situation for Haitian immigrants and their children has been bleak, there may be a glimmer of hope on the horizon. Aquino said that he supports a regularization program for Haitian workers. In late July another JCE magistrate, Eddy Olivares, said in a televisions interview that the children of Haitian immigrants should be given identity papers — especially those that came to the Dominican Republic under labor agreements with Haiti. He further stated that the Dominican Republic’s immigration agency, not the JCE, has the authority to make decisions on the validity of identity documents and the JCE, therefore, should not be invalidating documents because a person’s parents are immigrants. In the end, however, a major political and legislative shift would have to occur, throughout the Dominican government, to turn the tide against immigrant rights.

Their Future

There isn’t much Juan, Michel or Bueno can do while citizenship continues to be redefined in the country of their birth.

Juan goes to work each day at the clothing factory, although she would much rather be teaching.

Bueno made it to the U.S. after finally obtaining his visa. He works at a security company in Florida while his case for Dominican citizenship is being appealed. He has temporary residence in the U.S., but has no official citizenship anywhere.

Bueno spoke for them all when he said, “We have no country now.”

Along with thousands of others, they hope they are not wrong when they call themselves Dominican.

Miledis Juan, a 25-year-old Dominican woman with a teaching degree, cannot find work as a teacher because she was denied access to her birth certificate. Photo by Brandon Quester

Miledis Juan lives with her husband, Henry Claude Joseph, and 1-year-old son, Henry Alberto, who was also denied a birth certificate. Photo by Brandon Quester

Henry Claude Joseph holds his son at home in Batey Esperanza. Photo by Brandon Quester

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56 Responses

  1. Sang

    How can you be Haitian if you are born in the Dominican Republic? The law is obviously helps to avert the social and economic consequences of allowing possibly millions of people of Haitian descent to become Dominicans. This is very much a problem for Dominicans to deal with and solve. Dominicans are very big hearted people and I am confident that in the end they will make the right decision.


    BS. This people are Haitians. Read article 11 of the Haitian constitution. The discussion is not about stateless vs. DR, this is a strategy to force their presence in DR. We can’t handle more Haitians. Enough is enough. Read the Haitian constitution. You are a bunch of ignorant, arrogant anti-Dominicans. You are creating the conditions for a Caribbean Rwanda. I hope you know what you are doing.

  3. Sang

    Joel Cruz, it seems that we are separated by a common language. Why don’t you try to read what I just wrote. This is a problem for Dominicans to solve. If they solve it in the racist and facist manner you advocate then so be it. If they decide to do it differently that is fine too. I am confident that either way it will be the right decision. If you still don’t understand, I will post the same thing in Spanish. OK?

  4. Joel H. Cruz

    Sang, you need to learn either to discern or read properly – seriously.
    The first comment was NOT directed to you. The second was. I don’t understand why our defense of sovereignty translate into facism. I sense a little intolerance on your part. But then, again, I feel, deep down, you understand our viewpoint.

  5. Sang

    Joel Cruz, it seems that each time I turn around your monument to racism, facism, ignorance, fear, apartheid and separatism seems to be grow larger. Why do you want to insult yourself in this manner? Why would you want to engage in a wanton public display of your ignorance and hatred? Deep down you are an unadulterated racist. And you seem to take pride in a false sense of nationalism and patriotism. With each post you sink deeper into the primordial swamp of hatred and prejudice.

  6. Mc Nelly Torres

    Good evening,

    The Florida Center for Investigative Reporting encourages readers to comment. While FCIR supports freedom of expression and diversity of opinion, FCIR reserves the right to remove comments, especially those expressing bigotry and hatred, without notice or explanation.

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  7. Sang

    I congratulate the McNelly Torres and the FCIR on their decision to remove the reckless and inflammatory comments espoused by those that do not fully understand and appreciate the challenges faced by people of Haitian descent in the Dominican Republic. Perhaps they can learn from reading this that there are decent and caring Dominicans who will carefully study this problem and arrive at a solution that will be optimal for all parties concerned. Haitians have contributed significantly to the social and economic development of the Dominican Republic. I hope that their contribution will be rewarded and very confident that Dominicans understand the difference between right and wrong. That they will make the right decision for all the parties concerned.

  8. Joel Cruz

    This is only anti-Dominican propaganda. This people are Haitian. Again, look for article 11 of the Haitian constitution. The reporter is not telling the truth. This is a shameful manipulation to force us deal with a problem we did not create. If you want us to take you seriously, let us part from admission of responsibility and guilt. These are Haitians, HAITIANS. DR could give them a pink birth certificate to help them get documented as Haitians, not Dominican. But they refuse to accept the only choice they have. We can’t create a fifth column.

  9. Sang

    This issue is being intensely studied by Dominicans from a wide political and economic spectrum. International organizations such as the UN, OAS and aid donors such as the US and EU. Rational minds and cooler heads must prevail. We cannot afford to retreat into the ideological labyrinths of a previous century. Time to welcome a future in which Dominicans and Haitians continue to share the common vision and goal that is their destiny. Time to award Mister Cruz his “pink slip” and send him on his way.

  10. Joel Cruz

    Ideology? What ideology? We don’t want to collapse the same way Haiti did. You are proposing that we open space to an ethnic group that has a strong hatred of Dominicans as a core element of their culture. We shall remain stable enough no to fall into Haiti’s situation. I propose that the solution is to bring those Haitians who happen to live in DR to the US, France and Canada. Two million of them spread in these developed countries provides an opportunity to prove how much we really care about Haiti. To solve the Haitian crisis on the back of Dominicans is criminal and creates the conditinos for future civil war and genecide. I ask you the question. Is it possible that Dominicans and Haitians fight each other again? Given the history and the daily violence we see in the Dominican barrios every single day I would argue is just a matter of time. AND YOU ARE PROVOKING THE CONFLICT. This is a fact. Stop the argument. The UN and the OAS have no credibility and you know that damn well. Soon we will launch a campaign to move away for the Inter-American Court as the first step to real sovereignty. If you love Haitians so much stop sending them to us, take them to your country.

  11. Sang

    I don’t know where you live now or have been living for the past 10 years. I am married to a Dominican and live in Santo Domingo Este. I do not see the hatred between Haitians and Dominicans with which you have become so obscessed. I see a completely different picture. Of Haitians working on constructions projects alongside Dominicans. Eating their lunch next to their fellow Dominican workers. I see them tending to little fields of yucca and corn to supplement their meager earnings. I hear their music and children running happily through the streets of the Barrio. I see Dominicans coming to the help of sick and hungry Haitians. I have seen more deadly conflict involving Dominicans shooting their fellow citizens than between Haitians. You seem to be stuck on a chapter of ancient history that no longer exists. Time to flip the page and move on to more recent events. Even if you do not like what you are going to see. Dominicans living at peace with Haitians. You really need to get a proper education on the current situation in the Dominican Republic.

  12. Sang

    Mister Cruz, you seem so out of touch with reality that I feel compelled to keep educating you on what is going on in the Dominican Republic. Before moving to Santo Domingo Este 4 years ago, we lived for 3 years in Sanchez Luperon next to the Barrio of Capotillo. Previous to that we had lived in the Barrio of 27 De Febrero. The violence we noticed involved turf battles between gangs in the Barrios. The narcotics trade is a major factor and Dominicans murdered each other in record numbers. I never saw Haitians pulling guns on Dominicans. It was always Dominicans drawing on each other. The carnage was incredible. That is the main reason we moved out in search of a safer place for our children to live. Dominicans slaughtering each other Mister Cruz.

  13. Joel Cruz

    Oh, please,It seems you are a good person but you know about nothing about the history between the nations. The to hell is paved with good intentions. Your are lost, you are wrong. You simple want to help solve a problem on our backs. We had enough. Read about the Nerilus case. The Rodiline Case. I from the Cibao and you are not telling me what we see all the time. Haitians killing Dominicans and Dominicans reacting in kind…You could fool some gringos, who for the most part and good-hearted but totally ignorant of the situation. YOUR DISLIKE FOR DOMINICAN IS CLEAR AS YOU PICTURE US AS BUNCH OF SAVAGES. YOUR STAMENT : “I never saw Haitians pulling guns on Dominicans. It was always Dominicans drawing on each other.” ObviousI got to admitt, very telling. I have never read such an anti-Dominican statement but thanks, now we see who you are. I guess you need to see the red river of bodies before you realize your neo-imperialistic desires are counterproductive. Shame on you. And you will hear from us in the near future. We will make the case very loudly that these people need to solve their problem in their land, not ours.

  14. Sang

    If I am not completely mistaken, the Rio Massacre along the Haitian-Dominican border was once turned into a “Red River of Bodies”. It was full of the dead bodies of innocent Haitian men, women and children brutally shot to death on orders from Dominican President Rafael Trujillo.
    Mister Cruz, you must live in a very rough town. No wonder you have such a sour outlook on life. You should move to Santo Domingo Este and see for yourself. Haitians and Dominicans talking, laughing, joking and drinking Creveza while playing Dominoes. Dominican children playing hide and seek with Haitian children. Haitian women braiding the hair of their Dominican neighbors.
    I and my “neo-imperialist” desires have been here for almost 4 years and have no intention of going anywhere soon. Why don’t you visit Santo Domingo Este? You could be surprised.

  15. Sang

    Mister Cruz, is this what you were thinking about in your reference to “Red River of Bodies”? Unfortunately, the river was full of Haitian bodies. Haitians who just happened to be generally a little darker skinned than Dominicans and who could not correctly pronounce perejil, the Spanish word for parsley?

    In October 1937, Dominican President Rafael Trujillo ordered the execution of the Haitian population living within the borderlands with Haiti. The violence resulted in the killing of 20,000[1] [2] Haitian civilians over a span of approximately five days. This would later become known as the Parsley Massacre from the shibboleth that Trujillo had his soldiers apply to determine whether or not those living on the border were native Dominicans who spoke Spanish fluently. Soldiers would hold up a sprig of parsley, ask “What is this?”, and assume that those who could not pronounce the Spanish word perejil were Haitian; parsley is called pèsi in Haitian Creole and persil in French.[3] In the Dominican Republic, the massacre is known as El Corte (“the cutting”). [4]

  16. Sang

    Would you like to dispute this historical fact about the Parsley Massacire or is it just a big lie? Simply my “DISLIKE OF DIMINICAN”? Is the total of 20,000 too big for you? Would you like to rewrite history and cut it down a little? What number would please you Mister Cruz?

  17. Joel Cruz

    Probably you think I should accept the “massacre” as valid to prove my point that Dominicans and Haitian should not be close to each other. But I won’t do that. The Hutus and Tutsis probably are the best example of this type of problem. I see something similar inevitably coming to us in the near future. IT WILL HAPPEN. You talk as if you really knew the hearts of both Haitians and Dominicans. Let me remind you that Hutus and Tutsis traded with each other, live in the same areas and in some cases even intermarried. The real root cause was never elminated by force intergration such as the one you are promoting; the logical result: genocide. What the 1937 event avoidable? Maybe. But Haitians ignored Trujillo’s demands, after he had been given them land in a border agreement. Now they just keep doing exactly the same.

    Was Trujillo morally right in killing Haitians? Well, was Truman morally right when he ordered bombing Hiroshima? I think both were wrong but to judge them from a contemporary moral viewpoing, regardless of the political context in which they acted, is not totally adequate.

    I recommend you read the work by Bernando Vega who showed why and how the number of Haitians victims was inflated. No more than 5000 people died. I believe that “el corte” never took place. At least, the way Haitians claim.
    Originally, Haitians claimed that Trujillo kiled 250000 Haitians, then the number changed to 80000, then 50000, later 30 0000, etc…By the time I die I hope they admit that the so called massacre was not what they have sold the world.

    Remember the earthaquake? Now we know Haitians lied about the number of people who died there also. Instead of 250000 now we know that the real figure must be closer to 50000. Again, a sad event and we Dominicans were the first to provide assitance and we continue to do so. More than 350000 Haitians have move to DR looking for a new life since 2010. That is another issue to discuss later.

    Did something happen in 1937? YES, TRUJILLO KILLED A NUMBER OF HAITAINS, BUT NOT THE NUMBER THEY CLAIM. They use this event to blackmail us knowing that in their 7 invasions they killed, raped and committed abuses against thousands of Dominicans. And please, do not even try to sale 1822 as a bonevolent act because I could show you that it was an invasion.

    Haitians are ungrateful and tend to see the world from a self-imposed victimhood.

    Haitians have been bad to us. And we have done a few things in self-defense to them. Let us keep then in Haiti, DOminicans in DR. To struggle for nationhood is higher calling that to accumulate gold. If you think nationalism is dead, please talk to Haitians and you well see why Dominicans need to cover themselves with the flag of rejection.

  18. Joel Cruz

    Sorry, for the mistakes. How can I fix a text, spelling? This topic makes me really uspet and I just woke up. Besides, I’m natural born bad speller….Terrible combination. Patria o muerte.

  19. Sang

    I don’t blame you for being upset. This is a controversial topic. As I said in the beginning, it is a problem that we must all consider very carefully before rushing to judgement. The outcome will have a major impact on future relations between the two countries. It will most certainly affect how the world views the Dominican Republic. The fact that the Dominican government was the first to offer assistance during the recent earthquake is proof that Dominicans do not consider Haitians to be their “natural enemies” despite a history of past conflicts costing lives on both sides of the border. However, the present state of affairs between the two peoples has changed considerably. The biggest and most serious problem affecting the Dominican Republic is narcotics trafficking to meet the demand for illegal drugs in the United States. Narcotics trafficking is a major factor contributing violence and death in the barrios. The Policia Nacional and DNCD regularly lose their officers during encoungers with the narco traffickers. Thousands of kilos of drugs are being intercepted at airports like Las Americas, Santiago, Punta Cana and Puerto Plata. That is the most dangerous enemy now facing the Dominican Republic.

  20. Joel Cruz

    AIDS or Cancer? What is the choice? Both are deadly. The Haitian presence and the narcotics war are both bad. Some would argue that narcotics bring money to the most needed of Dominicans while Haitians displaced them from jobs.

    Personally, I want both problems to be addressed seriously. Your opinion as to which one is worst, drugs or Haitians, is just an opinion. However, your description is accurate. We have a serious problem and the worst part is has we have become a narco state. Pretty much what Haitians and Colombians had in the 80s. The Dominican government and military is now hostage to narcos. Drugs money runs in all branches of government. The problem is worst than you most people think.

    May this magazine should write a little about the link between the narcos and the Dominican political establishment. A investigating would show you a very dark picture.

  21. Sang

    The narcotics trafficking problem is more serious because the United States and European Union are not bearing full responsibility for the problem. The illegal narcotics that transit through the Dominican Republic are largely for the United States and Europe. However, the Dominican Government and Dominican people are now being forced to bear the financial and social burden of fighting the “War on Drugs”. It is obvious that the funds coming from the United States and Europe are not enough to deal the narcotics trafficking problem. There are far more Policia Nacional and DNCD agents being killed fighting illegal drugs than dealing with Haitian immigrants. That is why the narcotics trafficking problem is more serious.

  22. Sang

    The Haitian presence in the Dominican Republic is overwhelmingly positive. The plight of Haitian migrants in the Dominican Republic is similar to that of Mexican migrants in the United States. The type of jobs that Haitian migrants take in the Dominican Republic are those that Dominicans do not want because they are very difficult or pay very low. It is inevitable that some Haitian migrants are involved in illegal activity. However, the majority are honest and hard working people who just want to survive and send some money back to Haiti. But just like the Mexican migrants in the United States, they are the first to be blamed whenever something goes wrong with the local economy. If a few Americans are hurt or killed by Mexicans in Arizona, they want all Mexicans to be arrested and deported. I guess that comes with being an illegal migrant in a foreign country. They inherit all the blame regardless.

  23. Joel Cruz

    Haitians are bad for Dominicans. The rich gets the benefits while the cost is socialized.

    Your statements are false. I see a combination of fallacies to justify the unjustifiable. MIGRATION IS POSSITIVE ONLY IN AREAS OF SHORT LABOR CONDITIONS. The typical case is the US after industrialization. In the first 100 years or so, the US was not a nation of “migrants.”
    Are Haitians positive for DR? Who gets hurt? Dominicans, particularly the poor.
    a. DR has a real unemployment rate of more than 20%. Official statistics can’t be trusted given the fact the BC uses a methodology that factors in sub-employment to make the numbers look good. But even with the “best” numbers the unemployment rate is extremely high by any measure.

    b. 5 MILLION Dominicans live under the poverty line and the presence of Haitians prevents them from either acquiring jobs or demanding higher wages.

    c. You should read the work by Jaime Aristy Escuder that quantifies the obvious. The Haitian presence is the main factor in explaining the lack of real wage improvement. LABOR IS JUST ANOTHER FACTOR TO BE PURCHASED OR SOLD IN A MARKET. THE MORE HAITIANS THE LESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE OF LIMITED SKILLS. THE 5 MILLIONS.

    d. Haitians bring a number of diseases that have been previously eliminated or controlled. Haitian migration brought us HIV, malaria, CHOLERA, ETC. Not a good thing. THE U.S. SCREENS MIGRANTS FOR DISEASES AND WHEN SOMETHING IS WRONG THEY DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO ENTER THEIR TERRITORY. ACTUALLY, A DOCTOR CAN DECIDE A MIGRANT’S FATE …WHAT COULD BE MORE INHUMANE THAN THAT? We allow Haitians to enter freely and provide them with services.

    e. 80% of Haitians lack basic sanitary facilities, I emphasize the word SANITARY. This creates very irregular patterns of the disposing of human waste. This explains how quick the cholera crisis spread from Haiti to DR.

    f. Our Health System is collapsing due to the high demand Haitians imposed on an already deficient structure.

    g. The average Haitian is extremely expensive to treat since she/he comes with no previous medical history and a number of accumulated conditions to be treated.

    h. Then, the Dominican poor finds himself unfairly competing for the services his is entitled to get by law.

    i. I could go on and on…

    Isn’t that the same case as for Mexicans in the US? A BIG, HUGE NOPE.

    I don’t think so. The US has a moral debt with Mexico. The Mexican American War was an immoral war that deprived Mexicans of land and natural resources. Even the American general who won it said so. But, where do Mexicans go? TO A NATION WITH HISTORICAL SHORT LABOR SUPPLY. They keep moving an economy that demands them as workers. In the northeast you experienced a tremendous influx of Mexicans precisely because the average unemployment rate remained around its natural level. There was a time when it was at the level of frictional unemployment.

    I’M NOT AGAINST ILLEGAL MIGRANTS PER SE. I’M AGAINST A LARGE ETHIC HAITIAN PRESENCE IN DR. It is a recipe for conflicts. In the short term the invasion of DR by Haitians helps them alleviate the crisis they have created for their own people but in the long term it will produce an explosive conflict the consequences of which can’t be described. ALL OF YOU, THE HATIANPHILES, ARE PROMOTING A HUMAN CASTASTHROPHE AND REFUSE TO SEE IT.

    Who benefits?
    Wealthy Dominicans benefit from the Haitian presence since Haitians prevents wages for an upward lift. Therefore Haitian migration to DR helps the wealthy accumulate more and increase the gap between rich and poor. Today DR has become of the countries with the highest level of inequality. In short, the rich gets the benefits while the cost is socialized.
    The solution is a reverse process of migration. Haitians should go back and build Haiti.

  24. Sang

    The majority of Dominicans would disagree with your Xenophobic views. They would be ashamed to be associated with somebody who is so selfish and hateful. You also seem terrified of poor and helpless people. You are terrified of sick people. Why would you want the Dominican Republic to adopt the same cruel and inhuman policies that we see in other countries. Fortunately, there are many brave men and women in the Dominican Republic who are no afraid of poor, sick and helpless people. Those are the kinds of people we need here. Not a bunch of cowards like you who are scared to death of poor and helpless people. Shame on you Mister Cruz. Shame on your phony sense of patriotism. The world will move forward and leave the likes of you to suffocate in your own hatred.

  25. Sang

    Mister Cruz, you belong in a country where there are no illegal migrants. There are very few countries without illegal migrants. As conditions deteriorate in Haiti there will be more and more migrants arriving in the Dominican Republic. Deportation may remove them in the short term, but in the long term, 1 week later, they will be right back at their jobs in Santo Domingo and elsewhere. It is a revolving door.
    It is quite obvious that you have a serious problem understanding written English. I have never advocated opening the doors to illegal migrants in the Dominican Republic or any other country. I have not advocated anything more than careful and passionate thinking. Look at all the angles to the problem before advocating policies that could harm both Haitians and Dominicans.
    You have chosen to ignore everthing I have said here and decided to turn this blog into a loud promotion of fear and Xenophobia. I suggest that you solicit the help of an English translator to carefully read through this blog. Try to understand the written text before venturing into the deep end of arrogance and ignorance. This is no place for ignorance. It is not a place for cowards. You have to be informed. You have to be brave. You have to be compassionate. You have to be human. I don’t see those traits in any of your posts on this blog.

  26. Joel Cruz

    Call it Haitianphobia. I’m ok with all other migrants to DR. And you ignored what I said about illegal migration. Illegal migration happens all over and we just need to have humane and legal deportations. But the problem we dealing with is not only that. We are talking about the elimination of group by the failure of another. To force us to live among Haitians is to destroy us. Again, let us have respect for territoraility. They have their country, we have ours. What is the big deal? WE HAVE NO RESOURCES TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS AND THEIRS.
    Which part of my statements is false? Please, enlighten me. I will stop using google translation and hire a person for that. BUT I THINK AND NOT THAT STUPID. I COULD READ THE LITERAL AND YOUR AGENDA. But you MISSION is clear and anti-Dominican. If you love these Haitians so much, please help us move them to the US, Canada or France. We will be thankful.

  27. Sang

    You just keep getting better at what you seem to do best. Spreading fear and Xenophobia. Haitians have been living among Dominicans for a very long time and there is no sign that they are destroying the country. Considering the scale of the earthquake disaster in Haiti and how easy it is for Haitians to cross the border, the incidence of cholera is relatively row. It is very small in comparison to the cholera epidemics in Africa and Asia.
    Mister Cruz, anybody can get cholera in a place where there has been a major disaster. You don’t have to be a Haitian to get cholera. So I do not understand how you can blame Haiti or Haitians for something like cholera. It clearly shows the depth of your ignorance and prejudice against Haitians.
    You claim that the Dominican Republic has “NO RESOURCES TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS AND THEIRS”. But we are already allocating resources to solving their problem. We are also allocating resources for dealing with the narcotics trafficking epidemic. The narcotics epidemic is killing more people every year than those dying from cholera. It is killing policemen and narcotics agents. It is killing children and innocent civilians all over the country. But you don’t care about that do you? You just don’t want to see Haitians peacefully going about their own business and contributing to the develoment of the Dominican Republic. You are the quinessential Xenophobe.

  28. Joel Cruz

    The US does not pay us to stop drug trafficking. The other day the US government gave Colombia and Mexico 100s of millions of dollars to fight the drug one. DR was given 1 million. We laughed so much. That amount is what a medium police officer gets for a local cartel in a month. In the drug war we put the money and the dead to prevent cocaine from arriving in your country. In the meantime the US does nothing to stop consumption. The problem is that the trade has turned into a violent problem and touches all parts of government. Corruption is widespread. But these criminals are Dominicans and we need to take care of this with our local interests in sight. First secutiry, then health aspect of the drug trade. THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM. But some people are willing to put up with the violence since the Dominicans workers displaced by Haitians find jobs in the drug trade to buy milk and rice…Remember the 5 million poors. Those.
    If tend to mix it all together to excuse the Haitian invasion—OUR WORST PROBLEM.

    The claim of xenophobia is a joke. I have no problem with any other group. When Haitians were a few we accepted them and moved on. NOW IS AN INVASION. AN UNCONTROLLED INVASION.

    Please, start a movement to move them from DR to the US. I will support you.

  29. Joel Cruz

    The US does not pay us to stop drug trafficking. The other day the US government gave Colombia and Mexico 100s of millions of dollars to fight the drug war. DR was given 1 million. We laughed so much. That amount is what a medium police officer gets from a local cartel in a month. In the drug war we put the money and the dead to prevent cocaine from arriving in your country. In the meantime the US does nothing to stop consumption. The problem is that the trade has turned into a violent problem and touches all parts of government. Corruption is widespread down here. But these criminals are Dominicans and we need to take care of this issue with our local interests in sight. First security, then the health aspects of the drug trade. THIS IS A BIG PROBLEM. But some people are willing to put up with the violence since the Dominicans workers displaced by Haitians find jobs in the drug trade. They use drug money to buy milk and rice…Remember the 5 million poors? Those. By the way, the Police just released a Haitian woman who has been in jail 18 times for drug distribution in Ensanche Quisqueya. In Cuba they would have executed her. In the US she would be serving life sentences. In DR she was sent home because she needs to feed a 7-seven months baby. But we are the evil ones. I forgot.

    You tend to mix it all together to excuse the Haitian invasion—OUR WORST PROBLEM. Shame on you.

    The claim of xenophobia is a joke. I do not care if you call green, or yellow, or xenophobic or whatever. This is irrelevant. Let us discuss the issues. I have no problem with any other group. When Haitians were a few we accepted them and moved on. NOW IS AN INVASION. AN UNCONTROLLED INVASION.

    Please, start a movement to move them from DR to the US. I will support you.

    I did not said that cholera is a Haitian disease. They are victims also. But they brought to us. Under Balaguer we controlled Haitian migration and we never had an epedimic spreading west to east. Again, the US closes its borders to diseases. We should do the same.

  30. Sang

    You keep referring to the US as if it were a country to emulate. That if the US rejected and deported their illegal migrants then the Dominican Republic should follow suit. The United States has twice invaded and occupied the Dominican Republic using one excuse or the other. Why would you want the US to be your model? Why would you want to send Haitian illegal migrants to a country that would put them in prison and then publicly humiliate them by deportation proceedings. Why should Haitians go to a country like that? Would you like to be treated that way? So why would you want Haitians to be sent to a country that still treats Black and Asian people as if they were second class citizens? Why would you want the Dominican Republic to be engaged in this kind of racial hatred against Haitians? Each and every one of your posts clearly reveal that you are an arch racist. But you don’t have the guts to come out and say it. You wait for somebody like me to tell you who you are Mister Cruz.

  31. Sang

    Mister Cruz, whatever you do, DO NOT allow the Dominican Republic to become like the United States. It was not too long ago that Black people in many parts of the United States were denied the right to vote. If you were Black you could not vote. If you were Black you had to use separate public toilets. Black people were not allowed to use the same restaurants as Whites. Black children could not attend the same school as White children. Why would you want Haitians, a people of African origin, to be sent to a country with such a dismal history of race relations. Things got so bad that the United States had to enact special laws to deal with racial discrimination. So why would you want illegal Haitians migrants to be sent to such a country? A country where even today, legal Haitian migrants continue to suffer racial discrimination. Haitian illegal migrants entering the United States are immediately deported back to Haiti. Not so for illegal migrants from Asia and Europe. The United States is no country for Black people. It is a country for Whites. Don’t be fooled by all the rhetoric. It is a country for White people. How’s that for a little lesson on the United States?

  32. Joel Cruz

    Madam Chantal/Sang,
    Why do you hate the United States so much? I think the US is not perfect but it deserves the respect that many of us feel for their political, economic and cultural success. In terms of racial relations there is a lot to improve, just like any other multi-ethnic nation. I’m nobody to judge their internal problems but I do find it weird that a person of mixed race like Obama needs to deny his maternal side in order to be accepted and assimilated. I think it is a shame that even today the one-drop rule prevails. The day that White and Black accept mulattos as a separate but integral group they will see how they all are and have been inevitably linked. In that sense, you are right there is a lot to do, but America is a great nation. Who would you emulate? Haitians? Even the genocide of the thousands of Saint Domingueans under Dessalines because they were White? I guess you think is ok when black pride leads to the absurd. Has America done similar things? Yes, but the US looks at its past and tries to amends its errors. That can’t be said of other nations that live in the past and turn their mistakes into a badge of honor. To answer your question, Haitians would have a better life in Florida or Brooklyn than what they have in DR or Haiti for that matter. YES, TAKE THEM TO THE UNITED STATES. I will support you. Nothing is perfect.

    Why am I racist? You use some terms too lightly. I love and respect what you call races. To me there is no race. We are all the same. We Dominicans have a historical headache next door that happens to be black. Haitians and Dominicans, to different degrees, have a link with Africa, but in DR race does not define you, nationhood does. You should be happy that DR is a country that judges people according to his or her commitment to the nation and not according to skin color. We reject afroncentrism because it is just another modality of racism under the cover of fake pride. To be proud of skin color, either black or white, is to give acquiescence to the very racism you claim to reject. My opinion about an individual should be based upon variants other than race. So you have no idea of who I’m to call me a racist. But who cares? Call me whatever makes you happy.

    If it makes you feel better. We are not like the US; I hope we copy the good and reject the negative aspects of American culture. Dominicans, for example, rejected the invasion of Iraq, probably because it reminded us of the Marines doing the same in our land. By the time the American Civil War broke out we have had White and Black presidents, senators, ect. Our laws were, generally speaking, very inclusive—except for women. Our first elected president was not even Dominican, he was Cuban. Even people of Haitian ancestry like Ulysses Heureaux ruled DR. Ulysses became a dictator who fed on the blood of anyone who criticized his government. Well, Dominicans killed him. I guess you would claim we got rid of him because he was black or because he was a Dominican of Haitian descent not because he was a bloodthirsty criminal. What an obtuse mind. Mine, of course.
    Legal Haitians suffer discrimination? I TELL YOU WHAT… EVEN DOMINICANS SUFFER DISCRIMINATION AND ABUSE FROM GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND PEOPLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. ALL POOR DOMINICANS ARE EXPOSED TO CLASS DISCRIMINATION, ETC. SOMETIMES MY WIFE DOES THINGS THAT I WOULD CONSIDER DISCRIMANTION AGAINST ME…WE ARE A THRID WORLD, AN EXTREMELY POOR NATION. We have a long way to go. Besides, discrimination happens in all countries. What makes Haitians unique in that respect? That they come from a culture that despises Dominicans? Isn’t it? Stop it.
    All discrimination needs to cease, but if love for country is going to be confused with discrimination, so be it. The nation comes before our individual demands. The state, to the extent it symbolizes our commitment to one another, is sacred. No Dominicans should go to a foreign agent to request privileges or “rights.” We reject that neo-imperialistic and stupid body of injustice you would call the Inter-American Court. The Jean-Bosico case has no merit and eventually we will challenge the decision in the Dominican courts. You and the court have no right to tell us who is Dominican and who is not…Mind you own business. We joined the Court solely on the desire of one stupid and corrupt individual, Leonel Fernandez, who wanted to show off as a regional leader at the expense of our national sovereignty. We do not accept any decision by this court. THAT we copied from the US –that greatest of nations.
    And think about it, if we are unwilling to take this from our own, why should we accept it from Haitians? No, sir. We have a lot to improve, but Haitians have no right to complain about the way we treat them. WE HAVE DONE MORE FOR HAITI, THAN HAITIANS THEMSELVES. They should be grateful that we allow them to walk freely and get the services that everybody else denies them. We don’t have to do it. And probably we should simply stop helping, given their unjustifiable and insatiable demands. We all have the right to choose and reject. It is human nature. Dominicans have put aside their self-interest for the sake of providing humanitarian assistance and look what we get in return. If Haitians are not happy they just need to exercise their right of return. We don’t need a colony of Haitians in our midst creating more trouble. We have too many of our own. Learn respect before you demand it from others.
    We do not burn people alive, like in Haiti; or, tie them to a running truck, like in Texas. We deal with problems on a case by case basis, and within the limits of our possibilities.

    Dios, Patria y Libertad.

  33. Joel Cruz

    Sang, you are making me really upset. I have to stop answering your stupid comments. I’m writing with passion but the essence of my position I think is clear. We are willing to help, but not to integrate.

  34. Joan

    Excuse me. But as a Dominican, I can say two things:

    1-Joe, you re a fool.

    2-Sang, you are a great -educated- person. Keep the good coments.

  35. Joel Cruz

    Another Haitiaphile. Joan if you are Dominican I respect you. I can’t help it when it comes to the defense of our national interests. Sorry, I’m no willing to play games with La Patria. I hope you rethink your self-hatred and anti-Dominican position. You should not sell your people for the sake of promoting a liberal agenda. Shame on you. If you are really Dominican, be responsible and help fight the invasion. Of course, you would not be the first and only traitor. Again, das verguenza!

  36. Joan

    Oh cry me a river.

    Es triste que respetes dominicanos solo porque son dominicanos. Por desgracia, yo respeto a los que se lo merecen, sin importar su nacionalidad.

    Blind patriotims, that is your disease. Eso y las ideas trujillo-balaguer de hace mas de veinte años…

    That said… I dont like the mayority of articles here. They are too “Dominican republic is bad with the poor, helpless haitians”. Someone who said that…do more research, seriusly.

    Like someone said in other place: is not a rich country abusing the poor country. Is a slightly better country trying to hold on that. Dominican Republic is not USA.

    Oh , and I dont like USA either. Doctrine Monroe…

    Dominican-Haitian hate for each other, is a ver messy thing. Thanks to Balaguer y Trujillo, some dominicans still think “Haitians are the problem of my society”. Ja.

    “This is very much a problem for Dominicans to deal with and solve. Dominicans are very big hearted people and I am confident that in the end they will make the right decision.”

    Yes, my favorite part. This is a problem for Dominicans to deal. Everyone else(Especially those who do not know what they say)…back off.

  37. Sang

    Merci Joan, but that’s all I was trying to say before Mister Cruz opened up with his xenophobic tirade against illegal Haitian migrants. He now wants to justify the persecution of Haitians in the Dominican Republic on the basis of the treatment they receive in their own country. If they are indeed being badly treated in their own country, why in the world would you want to send them back to Haiti? Why would you want illegal Haitian migrants to suffer a worse fate by sending them back to Haiti? What kind of logic is that?

  38. JC

    XENOPHOBIC? What a freaking joke. I want the law to be executed. Yesterday the Junta Central identify another cartel that infiltrated the Civil Registry to document Haitians as Dominicans. LOOK IT UP… Haitians bring problems, diseases, destroy our legal structure and then place the blame on us. I want our limited resources to solve the problems of the Dominican poor, not those whose life is defined by hatred of us. In my opinion, Haitians are among the most ungrateful people that we know. The scramble of Hispaniola is an irresponsible act that foreshadow the violence to come. I’m predicting the worst for both people. WE KNOW, C’mmon. Maybe you Sang want the best for your people, but you are promoting a conflict the consequences of which we both know are bloody and sad. Stop solving this problem on our backs.

  39. Sang

    It seems to me that you are the one trying to start a war here by promoting a non-existent conflict between Dominicans and Haitians. There is no disease that a Haitian can give you Mister JC that is worse than your tendency to make stupid and irresponsible remarks not grounded in fact or common sense. There are thousands of cases involving fake documents everywhere in the world. So what? It just means that any government bureaucracy can be corrupted. Even the FBI, CIA, NSA, INS, IRS, and the list goes on. Ungrateful people? How did you determine that? Did you carry out a national poll of Haitians around the world to determine their level of “gratitude” towards Dominicans? Where do you get your facts from Mister JC? Which legal structure have Haitians destroyed in the Dominican Republic? You seem content to come out here and just fling your mud around and hope that it lands somewhere. Well it looks like this time, your filth has landed straight on your own face. You are worse than Mister Cruz. You could be worse than Hitler. Let’s see what you come up with next before you are inducted into an imbeciles “Hall of Shame”.

  40. JC

    Did they bring malaria? Did they bring cholera?
    The answer to both questions is yes.

    Do they consume the few resouces the Dominican State set apart for the Dominican poor? Yes, they do.

    Do they engage in illegal registering in the civil registry? Yes, they go around with fake documents.

    Can Haitians give me a disease? Anybody can get you sick. A French, a Haitian and Swiss, but in the DR of all these nationalities Haitians are the ones with least good health conditions.

    Why are we engaging in hate talk? Leave us alone. Become Moses, take your people to your promised Haiti. Leave us alone.

    And yes there is history of hatred between the two nations. YOU ARE THE ONLY SPREADING LIES AND PROMOTING BLOODSHED. To pretend that there is no conflict is the biggest of all.

    You take a gamble. You think that forcing your misery in us will no only solve your problems and unify the island. Our existence is based on keeping our sovereignty. You make Haiti collapsed, we shall prevent you from doing the same in DR.

    Instead of blaming the United States or DR,look inside Haiti. There lies the answer to your mess. You made it, you solve it

  41. Sang

    Mister JC, it seems you missed a few classes in elementary or secondary school. You also do not watch TV. Cholera is caused by poor hygienic conditions on both sides of the Haitian-Dominican border. Malaria is caused by the plasmodium parasite which is transmitted by the male anopheles mosquito. Fake documents are found all over the world. Mister JC just stay away from Moses and the Bible. Do not soil the Holy Book with your diabolical intentions. What you have been reading is “Mein Kampf” written by Adolf Hitler. You should try looking inside your own confused and muddled thoughts to understand the pseudo-intellectual filth spewing onto this blog. It seems very painful for you to think. I am happy to report that very few Dominicans I espouse your dialectic of vitriol.

  42. Joan

    Common sense. We ned more common sense in this conversation.

    I am againts illegal inmigration. Is a problem. But Im more againts hate and ignorance.

    I wonder how many people knows about the help Haiti gave to RD againts Spanish in Restoration War. Thanks to then we could fight back.

    I little dosis of reality might help. Haitians are not the horsemen of the apocalypse.

    I know haitians, they are wonderfull people. And fews are scum. Like… Dominicans? Read more historical books.

    “Haitians bring problems, diseases, destroy our legal structure and then place the blame on us”

    Cute. Exactly what few americans say about Mexicans, Dominicans, every other latino…

    I know, lest talk about “teclado de guerra”, is a great piece of argument to use againts Haitians. Totally.

    From Now on, I just gonna read Sang replies. My brain ask for it.

  43. Joel Cruz

    @Madam Sang,

    Cholera did not parachute from another planet. It came from Haiti. At least 200 Dominicans are dead. We have reacted with maturity, contrary to Haitians, who have organized an anti-Minuhsta campaign to demand economic reparations. We have treated the issue as a health care crisis and see no culprit when it comes to providing services. Haitians also insist on blaming the Nepali soldiers (also victims) who paid a HAITIAN COMPANY, HUASCO, property of PREVAL’S WIFE, TO DISPOSE OF THEIR HUMAN WASTE. This lack of management caused the problem. Haitians were dumping Nepali waste on the Artibonite. Your argument about hygienic conditions would make people believe that Haitians and Dominicans have the same sanitary habits. Nothing can be further from the truth. You know damn well that sanitary conditions in Haiti are basically the same Leyburn found more than 60 years ago. Even in PAP too many Haitians toss human waste in open space. Don’t tell me that the same could be seen in other countries, including the US. I do not talk of the occasional bum doing his necessities anywhere. I’m talking about the sanitary habits of people who live in extreme poverty that lead unquestionably to the spread of disease. This is not something they do because the want it that way, but because they are in extreme poverty. Based on the data I have collected on this issue, most Haitians still lack a hygiene culture compared to Dominicans -which explains why cholera is brought to DR by them so quickly but only killed 200 Dominicans; these numbers run in the thousands in Haiti.
    THE PROBLEM OF HYGIENE IS ONE OF EXTREME POVERTY AND LACK OF ACCESS TO WATER. We have both of these in DR, but nothing compares to Haiti.
    This is a fascinating question that Dr. Hector Guerrero explained the very day the disease appeared in Haiti. This well-known Dominican doctor predicted exactly what we have seen. Contrary to the so called foreign experts, he claimed, and rightly so, that Dominicans and Haitians had two different dietary and hygienic cultures. That sank in an undying material poverty, Haitians did not have the basic infrastructure to fight cholera. BUT ALSO THEIR DIET HAS A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF FISH AND OTHER WATER-RELATED GOODS COMPARED TO DOMINICANS. At the moment I thought that was an exaggeration on his part, but later I realized the geography and spread of cholera proved him right.
    To compare us to Hitler is another form of extortion. Dominicans need to be educated about the consequences of the haitianization or rwandanization of their country. If you think we nationalists enjoy doing this, you are wrong. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DEBATE DIMINISHES ARE SENSIBILITY. But to allow you to solve the demographic problems you have created in Haiti on our backs is not acceptable. Haitians had a blank slate on which to create the perfect social order and chose not to. Cry and blame all you want, but that is the truth. Haitians suffer from the Doctor Evil complex. Why do it right if could do it wrong…This is part of their culture, there is no other way to explain it. In Dark Whiteness a Haitian put it in the simplest and most wonderful terms. He said of Haitians, “In the west, the past is history, but in Haiti the past is our present.” At every opportunity, they chose to take the wrong turn.

    We Dominicans have been bad to each other and need to solve a lot of problems, especially poverty and inequality. But in this endeavor Haitians have no place since they would make the task impossible. A French economist in Funglode explained that Dominicans should forget about development as long as they continue to support and enable the transfer of Haitian poverty to Dominican soil. And it makes a lot of sense. Economics shows us that resources are limited and only a stupid haitianphile can assume that we should solve their problems before with deal with ours. No, no and no. Let us solve our problems and solve yours on your own. WE HAVE NO MORAL RESPONSIBILITY WITH HAITIANS. BUT WE OWE IT ALL TO THE DOMINICAN POOR. WE HAVE FAILED THEM AND IT NEEDS TO STOP.

    I don’t see how JC’s position equates him with Hitler. I do not pretend we are superior. I do not pretend to eradicate any group, I support limited migration other than Haitian and I think Dominicans are a mess and we need to start building up our nation under a platform of social justice and equality.
    We keep our faith and the bible. Mein Kampf has no space in our ideology or ideals. What poor argument comes out your lucid mind? IF DOMINICANS DON’T LET US INVADE AND BRING THE WHOLE ISLAND INTO COLLAPSE THEY ARE NAZIS…Funny, funny, big cry baby. How do you dare talk about intolerance?

    Funny how you Haitians are…To you, Dominicans are Ok as long as they pay the bill…

  44. Joel Cruz

    @ Joan, I not only respect Dominicans for being Dominican. I love them precesily because they are Dominican. If you see us not as your people just like any other human group, that is sad but that is your choice. I would not excuse our mistakes and I hope that those Dominicans who abuse others pay for their actions. However, they are our people. I have a unique historical connection to them and I see them as my responsibility. I have so much faith that we could become so much more. I’m totally disatisfied with the current situation. Again, stop hating your own, grow up…

  45. Ale

    I think Joel has all the points of reality .
    Sang seems to be a nice person with good ideals and with knowledge also.
    but Joel speaks the truth we are a poor country with many issues we are not USA we are not Europe , have you seen our border ? have you seen what it is ? come on , there are over 2million haitians in the DR and we have a lot of starving an uneducated dominicans to deal with the 2million n counting imigrating haitians. this is not a regular case for activist to go on about with their political correctness .

  46. Joel Cruz

    Thank you Ale. It is not easy to go around explaining the economic and historical causes that make us concerned about Haitians. We have helped them in the past, especially after the quake, and I hope we do even more. But they need to go back to Haiti. I remember Huracan George and watching Dominicans in isolated barrios and campos…They looked as the they just came out of war, struggling for a piece of bread. Those images are like Haiti. Dominicans know the different faces of poverty, we suffer them all. And then you have the anti-Dominican culture in Haiti. Unless we dealing with Haitians with a tough, but compassionate approach, we will disappear. Dios, Patria y Libertad.

  47. Rosa

    Thank you Joel Cruz, I agree with you, “Haitians in Haiti and Dominican in DR”



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